Apex v2

Have had both. Returned the Owl. The Infuser is a bit of a hidden gem and, IMHO, is probably the best-bang-for-the-buck espresso machine out there. I attribute this to it's properly implemented manual pre-infusion. Meaning, it maintains good flow rate but limits pressure (3bar), for an arbitrary len

Gemilai G3007z, aka: Mii Coffee Apex V2, Turin Legato V2 - most interesting variant for now, for me. Chinese 58mm standard brew group, 550ml stainless boiler, separate thermoblock for steam, opv setting screw-knob, flow rate screw setting, PID for boiler and thermoblock, automatic buttons. Main ques

I have a Breville and it's not ideal, but I don't use the steam wand ever. Use a French Press or other methods to froth. Massively less cleanup/machine maintainence as well.Any machine will work that has a PID, since you are just looking at an extraction device. Something like a basic Mii Coffee Ape

Nice latte art! I have the same setup (MiiCoffee Apex v2, same machine) but find it hard to get consistent results with foam. What works for you? Do you use the default temperature?

If you're going to keep the Jura around, you should get a setup like your previous one. Having a built in grinder is more of a limitation than a feature. You just have to worry about heat up time and getting comfortable with the espresso making routine. A nice coffee station, with everything you nee