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I agree with you, but these machines are meant to compete with the superautomatics. Despite the dosing, auto-tamping, and auto-milk flaws, the BDB will easily surpass traditional push button superautomatics. I have the Jet and the auto lattes it makes are much better than my friend’s Jura E8, which

The milk frothing systems on automatics are usually trash compared to a good steam wand, you're right about that. Most manufacturers probably figure if you want a steam wand you'd just get a semi-auto anyway Check out the Jura E8 or maybe some of the higher end Saeco models - they're automatics but

I bought the KBTS a couple of weeks ago (on sale, but more than Black Friday price) as our 5 year old Jura e8 spring a leak and I had to order some parts. I wasn’t sure I could fix it, so I ordered the MM. Well, I was able to fix the Jura, but the MM makes much better plain coffee (I use the MM grin

It’s the Jura E8. Not complicated at all once you find the right ratio for you. I just press a button and it grinds and brews my coffee, and I put a milk container next to it and it adds the right amount of frothed milk. I run a rinse cycle through the milk system daily, but the system automatically

Another Barista Express here. We have that and are looking for a new machine. I am mostly black coffee and was leaning towards the Jura E8. The one touch aspect with no cleanup is quite appealing. But, my wife wasnt thrilled with the latte from it (and I want her to be just as happy with her drinks)